Diddy Proves That No One Is Safe From His Biting Ways. Not Even Pete Rock.


How wack is it to straight jack a beat in front of someone's face, then usher in an era of biting as not only acceptable, but rewarded? It's kind of like this current election where ignorance in the face of overwhelming responsibility  is rewarded with laudable praises that even the dead can hear. But I digress. 

Pete Rock claims that Sean "Biting Master" Combs heard a beat Pete Rock had prepared for Notorious B.I.G.'s "Juicy," the song that ushered in Biggie's dominance on the world's hip hop stage while at Pete's home, and...presto! The next thing Pete and the rest of the unsuspecting world knows, his very mildly reworked beat was now being used as the "original" beat for "Juicy" while Pete's beat was being slated as the "remix." While this may be what true hip hop beef is made of kudos to Pete Rock to having the maturity to know his own talent would reign supreme. Speaking to Hip Hop DX, Pete says,

Biggie and Sean came to my house one day and ["Juicy"] was playing on my drum machine," revealed Pete Rock. "Biggie thought I was making it for C.L. [Smooth]. When I told him I was just making it for myself, he immediately wanted it. I said sure, but didn't think much of it. Then, next thing I know, I heard it playing somewhere. I'm over it now though."

To make matters worse, the "Juicy" beat on Ready To Die gives the production credits to Trackmasters and Diddy with no mention of Pete Rock. Wow. Want to hear the original Pete Rock beat that really does sound as though CL Smooth would have done major damage on it? Press play below. 

Pete Rock: "Juicy" (Instrumental)


Pete Rock Says He Was Jerked Over 'Juicy' [HHDX]

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11 Responses

  1. No mercy. No sympathy for either producer.
    Please refer to the "beat" as MTUME's.

  2. And for that hoodedMonk, I truly know that you are from the era where biting was the ultimate dis LOL

  3. At any rate, true old skool heads know that beat ORIGINALLY belongs to Mtume's "Juicy Fruit." Hell, I know artists like Debarge, Bobby Caldwell, & Bruce Hornsby had to be like "What the hell is goin' on?!" at both Bad Boy & Death Row in the 90's. Those labels & their artists were infamous for jackin' 70's/80's R&B without any nod to the original artists. You have a whole generation of late-blooming listeners--too lazy to do their research--who think beats like "My Flame" (a.k.a "Sky's the Limit") , "Stay With Me" (a.k.a "One More Chance"), & "That's Just the Way It Is" (a.k.a "Changes") originated with Biggie/Bad Boy/Tupac/Death Row.--And that's just the tip of the iceberg! Ironically, the only time I recall Bad Boy ever giving credit to the original artist is AFTER Biggie died & they used Sting in their 1997 VMA performance of "Every Breath You Take" (a.k.a "I'll Be Missing You"). Though Biggie, Tupac, & others lyrically blessed some of the hottest tracks of the 90's, all that sampling [even nowadays] makes me wonder how much of Hip Hop is truly "original.

  4. It's official 'Diddy is a clown'
    I could definately imagine C L smooth on this. His voice would just flow real nice with this beat.

  5. @Phire Made Flesh:
    I wonder if we would still be having this argument if, Bad Boy jacking notwithstanding, CL Smooth had rhymed on this track and Pete Rock had just released it as is. Because while I abhor a biter as much as the next (wo)man, MJB's My Life took the jacking concept to a new level, then flipped it...and it was really, really good.

  6. Pete Rock's version was officially released as a remix b-side so I don't understand the fuss. I always loved his version better than the Trackmasters one. My side-eye is doing the humpty dance all over this "revelation" and the dialogue that followed.

  7. @ill Mami.
    I agree & I also gave credit where credit was due. The tracks were hot & are considered contemporary classics. However, that 1994-1997 period was back when flipping old skool melodies was a novelty. That's why I dig artists like Outkast, Pharrell, Missy Elliott, etc. While their sounds are often reminiscent of certain eras of music, it's not a straight ripped-from-wax direct copy, then claim it as your own by adding an extra snare tap & some lyrics.
    Missy Elliott's first [solo] hit single "Supa Dupa Fly" was of course a flipped version of Ann Peeble/Tina Turner's (cut) of "I Can't Stand the Rain" & Camp Lo's biggest joint to date "Luchini"--one of the HOTTEST flipped tracks ever--was taken from Dynasty's "Adventures In the Land of Music." Once again, that was back in its perspective mid-90's time frame when that sort of thing was a novelty. The end of the 90's should've closed that chapter of Hip Hop, yet it's redundancy in the mainstream is a small part of what has put Hip Hop's current state in a rut. The genre seriously lacks originality.
    Sampling is sort of a double-edged sword though. I would've never found the musical gem that is Junior's "Is This Love" if it hadn't been for Little Brother's "That Ain’t Love" (which I ended up liking the original more than LB's revamp). However, everyone isn't like me & is willing to take the initiative to research--especially the younger generation--and that sends a bevy of mixed messages. I guess what I'm saying is that sampling has its incentives, but in MODERATION. Bad Boy & Death Row lacked that specifically because they sampled excessively & neglected to credit the original artists of those songs. In turn, that left an entire generation under the false impression that songs like "Once More Chance, "My Life," & "Changes" [instrumentally] originated with artist like Biggie, MJB, & Tupac. That's the point I'm trying to make. I apologize for the length of this. lol ::steps down from soapbox::

  8. Don't be calling my baby no thief! How are you gonna accuse someone of stealing a sample? Hell Mtume came out w/Juicy Fruit back when I was still ho-ing in the club...errr um... before I was a grandmother. Tell that little-can't-rap-on-the-beat cousin of Heavy D to sit down somewhere.

  9. Please...the whole music industry is highly influenced by its predecessors...and there's nothing wrong with it. Whitney Houston vs. Dolly Parton "I Will Always Love You" Aretha vs. Otis Redding "Respect"...hell, look at half of your top 100 R&B songs.

  10. Thats right ill Mami. I am a child of that time. But right is ETERNAL.
    Like Phire, I pay attention to influences in music. But there is a difference between:
    Sampling with intent to create something unique ( ie featuring the rhyme style and word play...... )
    Sampling and MC-ing ( exhorting the crowd with a familiar groove ...... )
    Interpolation using musicians to replay or capture a style.....
    ( Outkast/Organized Noize in the dungeon with great musicians listening to records ad then playing NEW grooves)
    Covering a song ....( Aretha arranging a another's song to fit her style)
    I'm not a Puffy hater. He's been 'at the helm" of some of the greatest sample based and interpolated tracks of all time. ( "COUGH COUGH" Chucky Thompson) But as ill Mami said DONT DARE CLAIM ITS YOUR BABY WHEN YOU DIDNT GIVE BIRTH TO IT. WHEN YOU JUST PUT IT IN SOME FLY GEAR.

  11. forgive me. but i like the one diddy pulled off.